The Porn Stars

Two points to consider.

a) Read this with discretion. I recently read a source that many companies do business with sites "pirate". That is, the websites that offer free movies and scenes have "bought the rights." I put this in quotes because the money they receive under the Companies in this transaction, actors, actresses, directors and producers get ZERO. Moreover, not even aware. Therefore, it is not really a purchase of rights, is money that is given below the table. My source is reliable? I do not know and I have no evidence. So, I ask cautiously.

b) Congratulations to Bucephalus. However, I make a constructive comment. We who write faster than moving your hand. Thus, we ignore punctuation and wording details. It is desirable that, before publishing an article, be reviewed.

Regards

Piracy is a great excuse for companies to justify poor results.
The reality is that only affects sales, whatever they say.
The buying public has no patience or inclination to download the movie from the mule.
Look, just last week I spent at number two movies updated mine in Brazil.
One of them is in the mule and the tubes before, EYE BEFORE removing it for sale .... result? 3500 copies sold at 40 Royals.
The other still have not seen pirated in any tube ... even if Megaupload ... but has sold only 2600-40 Royals.
Given that we produce films for just 8000 Euros (about 26,000 Reais) Tell me if the problem really is piracy ....

We are saying that the sale ONLY on DVD and in a country, Brazil ... have not only depreciated, but has made money ... without cable TV, telephone, foreign sales etc ...

The Piracy is an excuse, I say, to justify shit continues to wholesale and people no longer itches.

I would like to see the numbers of Pirates 2

I agree with Oscar. The market is still moving and the money circulates. Maybe that does not respond to my offer and therefore the money does not arrive. The problem is the disparity between supply and demand, but more specifically, my offer vs market demand.

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Oops! Oscar, do not know what I have wanted to get me to the Books of the big companies to see its annual turnover, half-yearly and monthly. Then with the data, make a comparative historical and contextual to finish with a benchmarking.
There must be some way to enter into the legal framework in the USA. Seek and you will notice.

Good article Bucephalus .) I add that anyone who is interested to make a brief survey of what have been the tools they have used some of the great American producers operating in the network, producing and or Brazzers BangBros. And having done this study can proceed to an analysis of whether the use of piracy as a method of marketing consent has been involved in this expansion.

I remember when about 11 years ago I installed Internet in the room. Bangbros, had a series: Bang Bus, which scenes were readily available free online. I remember most were accessible for free by then I had a lot of scenes of thugs in the van and never paid a penny for bajármelos. Never paid, because 15 years had no credit card to access the type of payment they used.

11 years later, is a macro empire porn bill billions of dollars a year. As you once said Xuancar in an article about them ... "These people went from the van to the private jet" and I can assure me that since its first series were pirateadísisimos porn ... Maybe the producer most pirated on-line history.

But Toto is that you have given in the key. These people know perfectly well that the buyer who pirate is not, at least at the time, and it is better to advertise and be the talk of not being the best kept secret in porn.

Many people who had never been affiliated with the site, surely it by watching the pirated material has designed and assessed whether compensated or not pay you and so do not wait forever for each episode ... if he would be surprised statistics.

Look, it's as conventional cinema ... people I know who pirate a bag are those who have never been to the cinema ... I continue to see a movie every week (well, lately not anymore, not interest me the latest Hollywood productions)

And I'm buying the DVD worthwhile in my opinion, the home theater has not replaced the cinema, what you do is more selective.

Years ago when he left the controversial scene Max Hardcore and Rebecca Linares could catch a download link that someone put Putalocura forum. I subscribed to the website of Max because the wifi (pirated) who was then the neighbor was loose and everything was going very slow. But out of curiosity, curiosity, boredom, or you name it, I rented two or three films of Max in a sexshop. I left my money thus contributed to the sexshop continue buying movies that producer to see it sell well. All this thanks to the "piracy ..."

I'm with you. There is a little story with all this piracy. When a content is good and strip, is that strip.

Toto Hey why not do something like the Bang Bus but the Spanish? If they have succeeded with that (which is based on that looks quite real and spontaneous, street girls and gags included, when in reality everything is set up), surely you also work. See if you buy the private jet!

I disagree with everyone.
Antonio Marcos (Xcanal), chairman of the association of porn and who knows a bit about this openly states that piracy is a big culprit (and think) of the crisis in the sector.

Maybe for some series work, but for 90% it does irreparable damage.

I believe this does not speak any producer (except Toto), which are the only ones affected and should listen.

I hear from many producers here in BCN that piracy is sinking them, hang a scene and two days is Xvideos, Pornotube or Mula Who will buy pudiendola be free?

What is earned dough in porn despite everything? OK, without piracy would win 100 times.

Whoever wants it PAY porn. And he who wants to give it hangs the same producer in the mule.

but fuck Pirates II or Torbe scene, I do not, without the consent or approval of the author and the hang, fuck hundreds of SMS and DVD sales foregone.

It is as if we allow stealing in the English Court a little right? NO, of course not, but does not spoil.

Piracy is a robbery with all the letters, set yourself as you do them.

That matter, pirateamos books, serials, films, photographs, ideas, projects, patents, medicine, paintings, bags, fake, imitation, etc.. etc.

I repeat: who wants porn, pay for it.

Dear George: How financially supports X-Videos? What about the tubes? And all web pirate?

I picture them as the Sisters of Charity. They have businesses profitable and well.

Are web pirates buy the films he distributed free of charge? Does anyone the gift in exchange for something else?

Let's see how black market operates and who its beneficiaries.

Of course, the losers are the actors and actresses, directors and producers in short.

"MadMax-2": This formula is already being used in the Spanish porn producer over the bill .) It would be ugly copy or versioning series is already doing a producer friend. No doubt that any formula that seems profitable for us will be used if others are not being exploited here. Even so, the ideal is to obtain new formulas or, in any case, only exploited in other countries although it is of great complexity carry some later in Spain.

God hears you and I one day I can move on private jet D but believe me to live what I like I would settle .)

Jordi: "Antonio Marcos (Xcanal), chairman of the association of porn and who knows a little of this ...".

- That you name if you are a cancer to the Spanish porn today. Are you aware of allegations of Apeoga signed by Antonio Marcos? To me, even two months ago I got a signed by the same where I denounce it as well because they had no e-mail legal notice (That's a lie, was placed in a legal manner as I have confirmed my lawyers .) The same thing happened to Torbe to Borjan or webmasters as Blash. The person you name used very bad art in this business like to talk about is right or wrong, is not it?

- "I hear from many producers here in BCN that piracy is sinking them, hang a scene and two days is Xvideos, Pornotube or Mula Who will buy pudiendola be free?
What is earned dough in porn despite everything? OK, without piracy would earn 100 times more. "

- I guess, desconocerás by the fact that the producers are those that raise most of the videos to Xvideos.com (only have to look at the bottom of the videos where you click embebados and takes you to brazzers, bangbros, realitykings, pornoaburrirse or producer owns the rights), or only published Redtube videos of producers who have affiliate system to collect as a member of subsequent sales that generate emissions free videos.

- Internet piracy and piracy is = is = to money for farmers working on the internet. Instead of talking with producers avejentados Spanish it would be nice ineteresaras you are saying about piracy of directors of large companies operating in Porn Valley internet. No go far, the most invoice with porn in Spain does not complain at all about piracy has even published several times that the more you hack out more dough.

- Last week I read an article about why the increase of sales of the Xbox 360 to PlayStation 3. This year Microsoft has billed more than Sony worldwide in the subject consolero because XBox is very easy to hack compared to the Playstation 3. Yet the producers of Xbox games this year have earned more dough than ever. It is difficult to understand, but the data is there ...

"It's like if we allow stealing in the English Court a little right? NO, of course not, but does not spoil.
Piracy is a robbery with all the letters, set yourself as you do them. "

Jordi, since I do use Internet piracy has always been. It has always been able to get a Windows or a free photoshop. Internet is something that implies. Utopia is believe you can stop, can not be uncle. There is no possible way of achieving the eradication of piracy on the Internet. Therefore, producers or learn to work getting along with piracy or outside the market ...

I just reread what I wrote and it seems very sharp, especially with you George. I have read comments from you and I like what you write and as you type. Suggest that you write with good faith that quierodejar also clear that lecturing but do not pretend to put on the table clear and conclusive data on what really affects piracy.

And Toto, everything is already invented, or almost everything. But Torbe (you mean it?) Does not go in van, at least for now (not to give you ideas) . It's really cool that the van looking girls on the street, bus bang these are some cracks and hence its success. And also Torbe.

I think you settle for a Ferrari.

Toto already have a Ferrari!
I've seen in a scene where one comes out! I think Natasha Nice riding with you?
I think Toto is the only one who brings American actresses (the best) to roll!
kisses
Ani

"MadMax-2": clarooo hehe.

"Anita": that is, going hehe. Ferrari that I rented in Las Vegas when I was there on vacation and then I caught him one day also for use in a shoot for "Imagine" but I was cool to me that was my own D.

- On the subject of Natasha, on that same trip to the USA, were PlaceresVirtuales.com visitors who decided that they wanted an American actress who was chosen rodásemos and Natasha Nice. But that scene was filmed in Las Vegas and Los Angeles (specifically in Beverly Hills is fucked Tower). For now still no American actresses bring capital to a whim lol.

Besoss

Should we give up on piracy? My opinion is no. It is true that has existed, exists and will exist, but that does not mean you have to give up and take it for good. It is logical that companies in all sectors operating on the internet looking for ways to minimize the effects of piracy and even take advantage of it if possible. But this does not mean they accept it and do not fight for its eradication. Because it is not just someone taking advantage of the effort of another, it's that simple. Surely there is to clearly define the concept of piracy, because it gets into the same bag with actions are actions that are not and this causes confusion and confrontations absurd. For me, and ciñiéndome porn are those webmasters who use content without consent made by others.

Juli: I agree to the confusion of terms, but what the Spanish sector usually refers to piracy is to put their content for free on the Internet, not to profit from them as there are very few such cases of piracy. The most common is that they come up scenes and made available to free users go.

If you read my example of BangBros I think it's quite enlightening. In this case, is this kind of piracy has been beneficial or detrimental to the producer? His scenes came for free to millions of users worldwide has boosted its sales has plunged stratospherically or producer when they only had one set?

To what extent is a benefit or a detriment to the scenes of a production available to a public who otherwise would not pay to see them at first? Remember that the scenes that go to emule and other systems to a very acceptable level of sales did not show up on them or at least in our case ...

My opinion is not to be positive in all cases but would have to analyze how much blame is on the plight of porn, in this case you Spanish porn ...

Juli Look, the problem is not whether much or little harm, the problem is used as an excuse for all ills.

And they explain putting a simple example.

If you ask any "jerifalte" in Spanish by the DVD producer will tell you he's dead ... and when I ask these will invariably causes piracy as number 1.
Then come the topic "before these sold 3000, and now only 200 or 300"

"Ergo the 2700 that is because I do not sell pirated"

At no time to think about if you're doing something wrong, if the market has changed, if competition is stronger or just better ...

Nononono ... the fault of piracy ....

Of course, if we consider the world of cars, where there is piracy ... by putting a small example ...

General Motors was a giant ... well, it was THE giant ... and that's only 15 years ago .... now without state funding would be in bankruptcy ...

That? have stopped selling cars because they are pirated?
Maybe they can not compete with more advanced models ... maybe they were wrong when they thought they would not rise and oil price and it did not matter if a car used 4 or 20 liters ... perhaps despised Korean companies that entered the sector with a different product ...

nonono ... we could say that is piracy ... and stay as hot dogs, and is bobby who fix my bills, give me a fee to go from one place to another in whatever means, they are doing something they could do with my car .... But of course, talking about cars we laugh in the face ....

In my view, piracy is not THE problem, but is only a problem because it is true that there should be no open bar.
But if we begin to make self-criticism, as we solve the problem?

-Jordi, Mr. Antonio Marcos can not complain that your business goes wrong because of piracy because he did not pirate anyone. No production or online content on its website only has videos of old movies and do not sell DVD's (other than because this format go down) is because they, like I said, not current or relevant. It is the last person who should complain that the business goes wrong because he has not been able to adapt and is the last person to claim digital canon, much less collect. Webmasters and Internet production companies are not competitive because as I said he is not in this medium (not produced, the website has no traffic, no members, no innovation, no nothing) but nevertheless dedicated to denouncing websites when one has left a coma.

-The Tube sites, disappear if the they would have to invent, in fact there are producers who are in it, creating their own web tube. On the internet sale is direct to the consumer, there are no video stores to sell anything that, therefore, more a producer who is starting, how publicitarte and make you know everyone? Well one way is hanging trailers in tubes like many producers. Xhamster, PornHub, etc. also give you the opportunity to create free channels and upload your trailers linkados to your websites, or direct traffic with thousands of hits. At this point who criticize the sites because this tube is blind. And look what we get easily, let you create channels to direct traffic, they take videos in a matter of hours if you ask, you can put banners paying your company, etc, etc and here some cavemen still think that because of the tubes their businesses are in crisis ...

And I know almost all webmasters websites Hispanic and many of them I am in daily contact via email and msn and I know of none that use and profiting from content made by others. And if any do not think it important enough to justify the collapse of Spanish porno.

Robin: You can say higher but not more clear hehe. There are actresses in Spain that have been shot many scenes (eg Sara May) and when you look in emule something about them appears Torbe video of Busted, mine of PorNOaburrirse, that of a film of Candiano and little else. As the example of many actresses who are working hard on more than 3 years.

So my question is: Why complain about piracy or god the producers that the pirates? If it is something that they are not affected either positively or negatively, in order xDD.

Exactly Toto, you usually go to the festivals when you see the President you ask Apogea step and give him thanks for the report you have Cascão xDD

Robin, what to say Toto "you that you usually go to festivals ... APEOGA greet the president" seems out of place, try to mix things dictation and with ulterior motives. When I read your comment hallucinate, shoot the president of APEOGA without saying that work in a company APEOGA member, co-responsible for any decision that the association has taken (still a member as I know). That is, wearing the shirt while trying to get another APEOGA above to hide and defend the interests in the network who pays you. And you can not play both sides at once, is to take others for fools. And there are internal issues that you give away, namely what to charge the digital canyon. It is an internal matter of APEOGA that only members know ... I guess your role is to look good with webmasters, customized pools of apeoga decisions on its President and try to put in between the festivals. I do not cheat ...

I think you get some things out of context Juli, I've always been totally against this association and how to proceed, and those who know me know, and know ifg and ¿? I think a bit mixed apples with oranges, a company which I billed work of various kinds throughout the year as any of my clients so you can not say that I wear the shirt Apeoga, that would be an out if I a producer or partner (ie those who share the benefit) of any registered producer to such partnership. I can be and I am in favor and against whom I please. Of course!

I do so now let me amazed is when you talk about the internal issues, I know you said all this domestic theme Apeoga that only members know, but what the hell would I know? Do you think I'm in meetings or tell me these things or what? Y en cualquier caso no me pondría a decirlo dando la cara por aquí ¡¡por favor!! si puse ese comentario del canon es porque Jordi lleva tiempo haciendo hincapié en esta y otras webs acerca de la reclamación del canón digital por parte de gente como Antonio Marcos entre otros muchos pesos pesados que siempre cita(como tú por ej.)

Pero bueno Juli ya que ha salido este tema asi como de carambola ¿sabes qué? Que tengan mucha suerte y que les den a todos el canon, que la culpa de que no se venda es de la pirateria, la pirateriaaaa jajaja

Con la pirateria no hay manera posible de luchar,¿para que quiere la gente internet?, para leer el pais?, noooo, paea bajarse pelis, musica,porno etc…,yo creo que a nadie le sobra el dinero para gastarse 20 pavos en un cd o en una peli porno, y menos con la que está cayendo…
En fin que cada uno haga lo que crea conveniente, pero creo que el estilo SGAE no funciona, está obsoleto y recuerda a la santa inquisicion y está llegando a niveles irrisorios(reclamar 90 pavos a unos chavales que van a hacer una obra de teatro…), y creo que el porno debe cambiar sus maneras de financiación, las obsoletas pelis deben dar paso a escenas destinadas a internet, y como bien dice Toto los que han entendido eso son los que estan ganado dinero hoy dia.

Esto es alucinante, se entra en unas conversaciones que no tienen pie ni cabeza.
Se intenta poner por malas a unas personas que en muchos casos ni se conocen, ni han tenido ninguna relación y en algún caso, yo lo he visto, cómo aquí se dicen cosas y después cuando se ven en persona, bien que chupan el culo.
Se han quemado a personas válidas, como han podido ser Isi Lucas, Giancarlo Candiano, etc… Y el otro día hablando con un histórico del porno patrio decía que tal como está hoy le da asco.
Estamos viendo como de antes salían en televisión los actores y las actrices, el mercado del mundo X, con educación hacia todo el mercado, con sorpresa, por las cosas que enseñaban y fascinación. Hoy los sacan como la cabra que llevan por los pueblos haciendo malabarismos y encima la cabra está contenta por salir en la tele.
Verdaderamente bochornoso.
Yo he estado hablando en multitud de ocasiones con Antonio Marcos y siempre ha sido un defensor de que tiene que entrar gente nueva, gente con nuevas ideas, incluso ha luchado por gente que a los de siempre les parecía mal, pongo el caso de Isi Lucas, defendiéndolo hasta la saciedad.
Por otro lado, sale aquí un actorucho, porque sus resultados saltan a la vista, ¿Quien conoce a Robin?, será en su casa, hablando de alguien que incluso sale en las películas de la marca que es propietario la persona que es referida. ¿Serán dichas películas las que son muy malas?, ¿en las que sale él?.
Se habla de que tienen que ser las películas gratuitas, ¿Pero, dónde está la decisión del propietario? ¿No es el más indicado para seguir las pautas comerciales que el prefiera con su producto?
¿Que el Toto gana mucho dinero? mejor para el.
Pero de aquí, a decir que si el precio es muy caro hay que piratear las obras, me parece muy fuerte.
El pirata es un puto chorizo que se aprovecha de los demás y punto. Las cosas como son, el chorizo es un chorizo y la persona legal es legal.
Se está creando una idea de que los empresarios anteriores al boom de Internet no tienen ni idea, pues ahora todo el mundo es el mercado. ¿Esto es nuevo? ¿No han existido siempre las multinacionales vendiendo en todo el mundo y adaptándose a la legislación del país donde venden?. Entonces ¿De qué vamos?. ¿De actuales? o ¿De listillos?
¿Porqué no se habla, se investiga, de que muchos de los que proclaman que los valores culturales tienen que ser gratuitos, de que la libertad de expresión se coarta en Internet si se cierra una puta página pirata, en qué negocios han estado antes, el dinero que manejan los servidores pagando a quienes suben el material para comercializarlo de una forma ilegal?
Bueno, ya he puesto mi granito y creo que lo que aquí se necesita es más lógica y más profesionalidad en todo, en Internet y en el mercado físico, lo de on line y of line, la verdad es que no me gusta.

Terminator: “Se intenta poner por malas a unas personas que en muchos casos ni se conocen, ni han tenido ninguna relación y en algún caso, yo lo he visto, cómo aquí se dicen cosas y después cuando se ven en persona, bien que chupan el culo.”

No se otras personas, yo he puesto también mi granito de arena en forma de datos claros. Sobre lo de “cuando se ven en persona se comen el culo” supongo no irá por mi porque mi trato con Antonio en persona ha sido muy limitado siempre. Por otro lado, lo que dicho se basa en unos actos que están ahí y que no veo ninguna forma de justificación postiva (El tema de la persecuación de Apeoga a webmasters legales como forma de ataque malintencionado a la competencia).

“¿Que el Toto gana mucho dinero? mejor para el.”

XDDD. Nothing is further from reality. Los beneficios que me da el negocio de las webs a nivel global me dan para vivir cómodo y seguir adelante con nuestros proyectos, sin prisa pero sin pausa… En ningún caso me estoy haciendo rico, ojalá fuese así jeje.

“Estamos viendo como de antes salían en televisión los actores y las actrices, el mercado del mundo X, con educación hacia todo el mercado, con sorpresa, por las cosas que enseñaban y fascinación. Hoy los sacan como la cabra que llevan por los pueblos haciendo malabarismos y encima la cabra está contenta por salir en la tele.”

La cabra, en cuestión de productores u actores/actrices con webs propias, gana mucha pasta al salir en TV y más en un programa de máxima audiencia. Independientemente del papel o rol que interprete cada uno es pasta y promoción por la cara .)

“Bueno, ya he puesto mi granito y creo que lo que aquí se necesita es más lógica y más profesionalidad en todo, en Internet y en el mercado físico, lo de on line y of line, la verdad es que no me gusta.”

Como en el caso de Jordi, tus palabras son nobles. Pero internet no se puede capar. Los que intentemos poder ganarnos la vida con esto tendremos que aprender a vivir conviviendo con la piratería. Como he dicho en otro post, solo la gente de la generación NO-internet puede plantearse que se puede parar el libre intercambio de contenidos en la red. Es una auténtica utopía. No hay foma ni la habrá nunca en este medio tio…

Terminator, no se muy bien a que te refieres con lo de mis películas/marca/propietario/referido y toda esa empanada que has dicho, pero por como hablas tienes toda la pinta de ser el típico dinosaurio que aparte de hacer pelis malas(como las mias ¿no?) sigue echando la culpa de todos los fracasos a la piratería.

You opines I'm a actorucho is as valid and respectable as I opine (and what I think) that these two directors who have not cited nor her mother knows.

The problem is that more and more shit sold and over what is done is a rehash of everything.
The classic porn is 1000 times better than current porn especially for producing VCA, Pleasure, etc. Knight.
It is very bad now because it offers so much content but poor quality and lack of realism often gives the feeling of watching porn instead of fiction.
Here you can save a little French and penthouse porn then here in Spain we have a Ford tive Coppula that the pleasure of meeting when he was the owner of a video on the trail but I have not see anything more of it.
Your best movie in Budapest is a Spaniard, who has seen it will know what I mean.
Then we have to produce as BigSister in Holland that fucking condom still doing business.

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